tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3375512083268389933.post8453209420349721744..comments2023-09-30T10:36:23.154-05:00Comments on Accidental Historian: W@H: Appendix BGedshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15047239425466517786noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3375512083268389933.post-21098176551058135302009-05-19T04:40:00.000-05:002009-05-19T04:40:00.000-05:00Oh yeah and eff you, Mark Driscoll. :DOh yeah and eff you, Mark Driscoll. :DUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09170725148888991807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3375512083268389933.post-19353213612680785802009-05-19T04:39:00.000-05:002009-05-19T04:39:00.000-05:00I knew of John Calvin's Geneva. I knew of Oliver C...<I>I knew of John Calvin's Geneva. I knew of Oliver Cromwell's England. I knew of the real story of why the Pilgrims traveled to the New World. [...] "I wouldn't have wanted to live in Calvin's Geneva."</I>Yes! Even though I was raised fundamentalist charismatic, quite literally in a mini-theocracy, I knew from about age 10 that trying to run the civil government on theocratic terms would be a giant FAIL. Why? Because my dad had studied church history and told us about it. Calvin was a great Christian thinker, etc etc (even if you disagree with him, which I do, he was important in the development of Protestant thought), but oh dear God no he made a horrible civil leader. And many of the people who came to America from England did come for free expression of religion--though they also tried to set up their own little religious societies once they got here. <br /><br />(Which, as a friend in New Hampshire says, may be why New England is all going for gay marriage now: they tried Puritanism and found it didn't work, so they won't be fooled by *that* one again.)<br /><br />Anyway--belated commentary on your series of posts, here; I'm very much enjoying them. My dad owned W@H, and just from the "men want adventure, women want to be thought beautiful" I was pretty sure I didn't want anything to do with them. So I'm glad for your detailed breakdown.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09170725148888991807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3375512083268389933.post-88798054849639533682009-01-15T14:48:00.000-06:002009-01-15T14:48:00.000-06:00The problem that I have with the Calvinist constru...The problem that I have with the Calvinist construction is that there is the underlying assumption that because God CAN damn some he HAS damned some. By the same token, though, if God decides who is saved, why not operate under the assumption that the "who" is everyone?<BR/><BR/>Incidentally, followed you from Slactivist, and am enjoying this series re: WatH - not a feature of my own fudagelical period, thank goodness.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08276438221642890950noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3375512083268389933.post-65816321903939227412009-01-14T12:26:00.000-06:002009-01-14T12:26:00.000-06:00I have coffee and cake, but I will settle for tea ...I <I>have</I> coffee and cake, but I will settle for tea and oatmeal instead. Mm, breakfast.<BR/><BR/>Well, now we know which flavor of religious paramilitary group will spring up in the ruins of Seattle after the apocalypse. (Assuming the rapture is mid- or post-trib, which I always favored.) At least it ain't Nazis.<BR/><BR/>I kind of approve of what Driscoll stands for theologically. Too many money-grubbing bastards watering down the Christian message. Driscoll's an asshole, but an asshole I can respect because he's chosen a platform and stays consistent with it. <BR/><BR/>I don't agree with his platform, and his hatred of gays saddens me. But he is a worthy foe for intelligent, thoughtful non-Christians in a way that Osteen or Willow Creek style evangelists are not.Fiat Lexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10441862977921307080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3375512083268389933.post-62027965309894305632009-01-14T12:06:00.000-06:002009-01-14T12:06:00.000-06:00Fuck you, Mark Driscoll!Though I have to say, this...Fuck you, Mark Driscoll!<BR/><BR/>Though I have to say, this article/post is about the least-scary Jesus one you've done. I didn't even have to put on my tin-foil pirate hat and hide under the bed. I guess I like Driscoll about a billion times more than I like anyone who tells you salvation is easy or can be bought. This dude might be wrong but at least he's wrong for the right reasons.<BR/><BR/>P.S. I always heard omni present, potent, scient.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3375512083268389933.post-64080248578405230742009-01-13T19:58:00.000-06:002009-01-13T19:58:00.000-06:00I'm so glad I didn't have to make the reference......I'm so glad I didn't have to make the reference...Gedshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15047239425466517786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3375512083268389933.post-72339113579222302812009-01-13T19:45:00.000-06:002009-01-13T19:45:00.000-06:00where's my coffee and cake? i was promised coffee ...<I>where's my coffee and cake? i was promised coffee and cake!</I><BR/><BR/>Personal Failure, don't you know?<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal_(video_game)#Plot" REL="nofollow">The cake is a lie.</A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3375512083268389933.post-77092980560062142112009-01-13T18:48:00.000-06:002009-01-13T18:48:00.000-06:00Fuck you, Mark Driscoll!Also, I brought cookies.Fuck you, Mark Driscoll!<BR/><BR/>Also, I brought cookies.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3375512083268389933.post-70849760653240633812009-01-13T18:05:00.000-06:002009-01-13T18:05:00.000-06:00Follow-up:In what could be the least shocking news...Follow-up:<BR/><BR/>In what could be the least shocking news ever, word from Molly's Facebook page is that her inbox is filling with letters from irate Mark Driscoll fans.<BR/><BR/>Who saw that coming?<BR/><BR/>Oh. Everybody, I guess.Gedshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15047239425466517786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3375512083268389933.post-35530562772662826602009-01-13T17:19:00.000-06:002009-01-13T17:19:00.000-06:00I'm now thinking my school did select those specif...I'm now thinking my school did select those specific three O's to avoid having us torturing the nuns with theodicea questions during religion classes. It makes a lot of sense.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3375512083268389933.post-85578757778125894762009-01-13T15:47:00.000-06:002009-01-13T15:47:00.000-06:00Exactly. I was having a conversation with a frien...Exactly. I was having a conversation with a friend not long ago. He concluded that you have to pull back god's willingness to give a crap and do anything about it. I concluded that you have to pull back god's powers of observation or intervention.<BR/><BR/>Either one (or both, really) works. But anything where you make god all-powerful and all capable and say that god is loving and then look at the world with anything other than total misanthropy and say that you're on god's side is stretching plausibility.Gedshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15047239425466517786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3375512083268389933.post-19142372193369608032009-01-13T15:35:00.000-06:002009-01-13T15:35:00.000-06:00Well, there's lots of O's in the omni-omni, but th...Well, there's lots of O's in the omni-omni, but the "omnibenevolent" is necessary for theodicy to be a problem. <BR/><BR/>Otherwise you can easily resolve it by assuming that God is doesn't know better (not omniscient), knows but can't fix it (not omnipotent), knows and can fix it but doesn't care or is a sadistic bastard (not omnibenevolent).<BR/><BR/>The standard theological resolution to the difficulty is the Inigo Montoya solution: "You keep using those words. I do not think they mean what you think they mean."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3375512083268389933.post-59464019600700111072009-01-13T15:16:00.000-06:002009-01-13T15:16:00.000-06:00At catholic school I learned that the three O's we...At catholic school I learned that the three O's were omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent. They never said anything about benevolence.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3375512083268389933.post-81571818246391572302009-01-13T14:28:00.000-06:002009-01-13T14:28:00.000-06:00Thank you, hapax. Between that and the heads-up o...Thank you, hapax. Between that and the heads-up on Augustine I feel less bad about not bothering to do any research. Although I'm not sure why being shown up makes me feel comforted...<BR/><BR/>Also, I could totally explain internal combustion engines. Those are easy compared to theodicy and the all-important question of, "Why would anyone bother to follow Calvinism?"<BR/><BR/>PersonalFailure:<BR/><BR/>I'm surprised you even managed to find the lobby...<BR/><BR/>Your cake will be faxed to your shortly. Just as soon as I find the fax machine.Gedshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15047239425466517786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3375512083268389933.post-4266426894180537362009-01-13T14:10:00.000-06:002009-01-13T14:10:00.000-06:00The triple O is omniscient, omnipotent, and omnibe...The triple O is omniscient, omnipotent, and omnibenevolent.<BR/><BR/>I resolve it by not thinking about it. Sorta the way I deal with the internal combustion engine.<BR/><BR/>Oh, and fuck you, Mark Driscoll.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3375512083268389933.post-45043450157130246732009-01-13T14:00:00.000-06:002009-01-13T14:00:00.000-06:00fuck you, mark driscoll!*looks around* where's my ...fuck you, mark driscoll!<BR/><BR/>*looks around* where's my coffee and cake? i was promised coffee and cake!PersonalFailurehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03034292023591747601noreply@blogger.com