Sunday, June 28, 2009

AtF: Etymologically Speaking...

As I sit to write the new round of my After the Flood deconstruction my TV is on. Comedy Central is playing Van Wilder 2: The Rise of Taj. I’m utterly convinced that watching television right now without changing the channel is a more rigorous intellectual pursuit than reading Mr. Cooper’s Opus. Also, I love the work of Kal Penn. Ryan Reynolds, too, but I’m pretty sure that somewhere between Van Wilder and Van Wilder 2 he got too big for this direct to DVD bullcrap. Also, Kal Penn’s accent changes with every other word, which is pretty damn awesome. I’m also reasonably sure that he didn’t have this weird British/Indian accent in Van Wilder, but I watched it once many years ago and mostly remember it for Tara Reid’s absolutely abhorrent acting. Either way, I’m tempted to predict every single plot point of this movie. So far I’ve picked out “get rejected from frat by stuck-up snob,” “end up in house full of losers,” and “try to put moves on girl who turns out to be girlfriend of snob.” This is far more useful than any knowledge of After the Flood could ever be. Alas, this blog isn’t called Accidental Kal Pen Direct to DVD Movie Enthusiast. Perhaps I should set up a new blog. Um, wait. Let’s get back to business. Everybody get quiet and listen up. Bill Cooper is about to explain to us exactly why fundamentalist thought is intellectually and morally bankrupt. It’s so nice when he does my job for me. Remember, last week I ended with Cooper’s attempt to undo the Documentary Hypothesis.
[The Documentary Hypothesis] does recognise the fact that the tenth and eleventh chapters of Genesis consist of a self-contained unit of information that is complete even if read in isolation from the rest of the Genesis account. In that sense, at least, it forms a document that we may study in isolation.
It’s always good when we start with a completely pointless attempt to illuminate the validity of a document. The first chapter of Genesis is also a self-contained unit of information but we can’t necessarily believe that. Oh, wait, bad example. I can’t use a document I don’t believe to discredit a document I don’t believe. Okay, let’s go with this instead. Van Wilder 2: The Rise of Taj is a self-contained unit of information. It even contains valid historical information, since Taj is a history TA and part of the movie involves him teaching history.* But that doesn’t mean that the movie itself is a valid historical document. I’m not saying that the writers of Genesis were writing fiction. I’m also pretty sure I’d rather watch this movie over and over again instead of reading Genesis ever again. The movie has laughs and boobs. What else could a guy want? Well, I guess Genesis has boobs, too, but you’ve got to work a lot harder to see nipples through wet t-shirts in an ancient religious text.
But how accurate is that document? Most scholars today would denounce it as unreliable, and some would dismiss it from any further discussion by attaching to it labels of 'myth' and 'pious fiction', favourite terms among modernist scholars, thus assuring their readers that its study, and especially faith in its accuracy, is a waste of time. These terms and labels will become more familiar to us as we come across a great many extra-biblical records that substantiate rather than undermine the Genesis account, but their over-use by certain scholars has left the definite impression that the modernist protests too much, and when applied as often as they are to so many historical records, they become tired and meaningless phrases that convey no information at all.
The anti-intellectualism in this book is starting to get painful. Although, to be fair, Cooper is using the words “scholar” and “modernist” so many times that it’s become a meaningless word that conveys no information at all. Wait, it was like that the first time he used modernist, too. He’s really only destroyed the word “scholar.” Either way, I’m going to steal the next couple sentences when it comes time to write a thesis statement for my book about how fundamentalism is intellectually bankrupt.
There is doubtless method in this academic madness, given the question that if Genesis cannot be relied upon when it comes to stating accurately simple historical facts, then how can it be relied upon when it comes to stating higher truths? But the over-use of such labels becomes weansome [sic] and ultimately meaningless, and is of no service whatever to healthy historical research.
I’d say that there is, indeed “method in this academic madness.” Historians have given the Bible no more scrutiny than they would give to Thucydides or Herodotus. They’ve done nothing more to discredit the Bible than they would to discredit any other ahistorical creation myth from the Norse or the Iroquois. Of course the fact that there are those who insist that the Bible is completely, 100% true and have everything to lose if it’s proven to not be the case means that any question from the “scholars” and the “modernists” about the Bible’s veracity have to be met with terror and denial. Anyway, he proceeds to turn the “Table of Nations” in to a genealogy. It looks like this: I’m actually sparing you a couple paragraphs here in an uncharacteristic act of charity. After his neat little genealogical chart he makes this claim:
Very briefly then, as we consider just a few of the names in the Japhetic list, we find that in the mythology of the old world, Japheth was regarded as the father of many peoples, particularly the Indo-European nations. The pagan Greeks perpetuated his name as Iapetos, the son of heaven and earth and again the father of many nations. We find his name in the vedas of India where it appears in Sanskrit as Pra-Japati, Father Japheth, who was deemed to be the sun and lord of creation, the source of life in other words for those descended from him. Later, the Romans were to perpetuate his name as that of Ju-Pater, Father Jove, later standardised to Jupiter (see Appendix 11).
I’m speechless. I am without speech. Well, I was when I first read it last Sunday. I can’t fucking believe how fucking stupid you would have to fucking be to fucking believe this fucking bullshit. Ahem. Sorry. Apparently I swear when I’m angry. Let’s see how I can take this. It should be easier for me to handle the Greco-Roman stuff than the Indian stuff since, y’know, Greek and Roman history and myth factored pretty strongly in my studies. The main problem here is that it’s fairly hard to directly refute Cooper’s claim. I simply cannot find what the etymological histories of “Japheth” or “Iapetus” are. However, since I’m pretty sure that written Hebrew didn’t turn in to written Greek, chances are “Japheth” and “Iapetus” have absolutely nothing in common. In fact, I might actually be able to make a convincing argument that the exact opposite happened. If you recall, I’ve conjectured that the Jews descended from the “Sea People.” The Phoenicians popped up right around the same time as the destruction of the Minoan and Mycenaean civilizations. Written Hebrew is also based on the Phoenician system. Thereby, it’s possible that Japheth was actually a Hebrew mutation of Iapetus. I’ve just blown Bill Cooper’s brain. Of course the main difference between me and Bill Cooper in this one is that I don’t buy my own argument for a second. It’s a fundamentally stupid argument that requires too many conjectures from coincidence to be true. And I think the Phoenicians were in the Levant before the Sea People showed up, so that pretty much tears it. But, of course, this is what a real historian does with conjecture. Anyway, let’s look at what we know about Iapetus. He was a Titan. I do believe he was the mythical creative force of at least some Greek myth. His children were Atlas, Prometheus, Epimetheus, and Menoitius. His parents were Uranus and Gaia. Now, it stands to reason that if Iapetus is Japheth, someone else in that list of Greek characters would have a name that sounds like Noah or one of Japheth’s many children. Let’s go take a look. Nope, nothing. If I had to guess, I’d say that Cooper is cherry-picking information in order to support his thesis. This is only when we take the next obvious step in the progression. I’ll sum it up in a single sentence: JUPITER WASN’T THE ROMAN VERSION OF IAPETUS. Ju-pater doesn’t have anything to do with “Japheth.” It’s Roman for “father god.” “Ju” comes from the same Indo-European root as “Zeus.” So I suppose the Greeks just cut out the “father” part and called it a day. In fact, this might be a good time to point out that I’m pretty damn sure that the Semitic languages didn’t come from the same place as Greek and Roman. To the best of my knowledge they’re a weird combination of the Sumerian/Babylonian and Egyptian languages. Greek and Roman were a development of Indo-European languages. So any commonalities between the languages are purely coincidental, especially when it comes to proper names. Which brings me to ol’ Prajapati, who was not known as Pra-Japati, but who’s counting when you’re Bill Cooper and your entire argument depends on making up correlations that don’t actually exist in order to defend an insane supposition? Either way, it would be absolutely not surprising to find that “Prajapati” comes from “praja-pati” in Sanskrit and that the “pati” in Prajapati and the “pater” in “Ju-pater” come from the same place, since both the languages in question are Indo-European. Oh, yeah, and in Hebrew the closest we get to “father god” is “Elohim.” El is the root for “god” from the Canaanite and the root of the rest of the word seems to indicate El’s place as the head of the pantheon. Thereby, El-ohim is (kinda-sorta) the roots of “god-father” in Canaanite, which looks absolutely nothing like Ju-pater or Praja-pati from an etymological standpoint. And, of course, Praja-pati looks nothing like Pra-Japati, which has nothing to do with Japheth. Also, I guess I can figure out the etymology of the words in question. Neat. I’m so glad we could clear that up… Either way, this is not a good start to Cooper's argument. He claims, if you'll remember, that the "Table of Nations" is a detailed history that is 99% accurate or some similar insane number outside of the Bible. However, if his entire claim rests on "evidence" like his Japheth/Iapetus/Jupiter/Prajapati connection I'm going to need a crash course in Indo-European and Semitic linguistics. Please tell me there's a Rosetta Stone program for dead languages. ---------------------------- *My decision to turn on the TV and engage in completely mindless entertainment is turning out remarkably well at the moment… Also, totally off-subject: the Alternate Routes’ “The Heart of the Aftermath” just started playing out of nowhere in the middle of Van Wilder 2. I’m a huge fan of the fact that that happened.

8 comments:

ExPatMatt said...

Things are heating up now, I seriously can't wait for you to get to the balls-to-the-wall crazy that comes later on.

This was a nice dissection though.

Michael Mock said...

Does it make me a bad person if my initial response to this post was actually to go look up The Alternate Routes on iTunes? For the benefit of anyone else whose mind works the same way, the song seems to be titled "Aftermath" rather than "The Heart of the Aftermath"...

Geds said...

Matt:

It's so disturbing to realize that the crazy will keep ratcheting up. I'm not sure I actually want to know how bad it gets.

I assume I'll find out, though...

Michael:

Yeah, it's "Aftermath." That was a brain fart. It was one of those things where the song started and I thought, "Holy crap, it's the Alternate Routes!" and I was trying to fill in the name of the song but the lyrics kept getting in the way. I could have just, y'know, looked it up on my D: drive, but that would have taken too much effort...

Michael Mock said...

Yes, well, it's not like it took terribly much effort to find it. Well worth looking up, too. Thanks!

Badger3k said...

I thought that Elohim was the plural form, while El Elyon was "god, the highest" (roughly speaking). Of course, I haven't looked into the linguistics myself, so I can't verify, just repeat what I've heard.

El Borak said...

The main problem here is that it’s fairly hard to directly refute Cooper’s claim. I simply cannot find what the etymological histories of “Japheth” or “Iapetus” are.

Let me say right off that I know nothing of etymology*, so I'm in no position to argue anything authoritatively. But I would note that if Cooper is correct, you will not find such a history, at least not in Indo-European languages. Cooper's argument (and that of Custance, upon whom I think he relies though you'll find Cooper is *horrid* with sources so it's hard to tell) is something on the order of this: Since Japheth was a real name, its meaning will only be found in the original, pre-Babel language. The Indo-Europeans (or Japhethites in Custance's parlance) may have remembered that their ancestor was Japheth, but the word would be no more meaningful to them than "Jacob" is to Americans.

However, since I’m pretty sure that written Hebrew didn’t turn in to written Greek, chances are “Japheth” and “Iapetus” have absolutely nothing in common.

Chances are, yes. But there are a (very small) number of strange Greek/Hebrew crossovers attached to Gen 10 names. Another paper from the LDolphin site that hosts Cooper also hosts this paper, which notes one of them:

...the name Peleg is ...one of several [Hebrew] verbs which are based upon the biradical consonantal combination PL... When the third consonant is G producing the verb PLG, there is a remarkable emphasis upon water...

Now Greek is a Japhethetic language. And yet I have found 18 different nouns in classical Greek from upwards of 3,000 years ago with the same consonantal pattern PLG. Remarkably every usage has something crucial to do with the sea. Two of these words still crop up in English the expression "pelagic depths" and in the word "archipelago."


Custance gets around this problem (that we have a confusion of languages, but they are not THAT confused) by presuming that the confusion of tongues fell mostly on the non-Europeans and Semites. I don't know that Cooper ever addresses it, but there you go.

* all I know is what I read in the papers

Geds said...

Michael:

It does occur to me that you seemed to be more prone to question my accuracy on the name of an Alternate Routes song than on the After the Flood stuff. This amuses me...

Badger:

You could well be right. I'm not a linguist and most of the language systems I know of are the Indo-European ones. Semitic is Afro-Asiatic and I'm helpless against it. I found several different possible etymological deconstructions of Elohim and then basically made my approximation in an attempt to point out that the Greeks/Romans/Indians were going for some version of "father god" not "some dude named Japheth." I then wanted to double back and say, "This is the closest I can get to 'father god' in a Semitic language, look how different it is."

And, in retrospect I think I got that one totally wrong. I think I should have been pulling "Elohim" apart as "elah-lhm," which (I think) still gives us approximately "head deity of the pantheon." From there I think "El" became a more or less specific Hebrew use of the root, which we still find in plenty of Jewish words, first and foremost "Israel."

But I could always be wrong. Like I said, Semitic languages are not my thing.

El Borak:

You apparently missed all the entries where I bitched and moaned about Cooper's use of sources. There are several entries where I tried to check his sources and just ended up giving up.

This one is a prime example and my attempt to figure out the source finally ended because jessa just so happened to own the exact same copy of the book Cooper had used and typed it out in the comments for me. I'm convinced that Cooper is doing it intentionally. However, I know that I was often less than scrupulous in my own citations, so he might just have the history education of your average high schooler...

Also, I'd counter Custance by pointing out that Phoenician had a large degree of influence on written Hebrew. Languages are constantly borrowing words from other languages and it would not be a stretch to say that the Hebrews got a lot of sea-based words from their closest seafaring neighbors who were, in turn, either of European descent or at least spent a lot of time in contact with the Minoans and Mycenaeans. It actually makes a lot more sense to argue that the Hebrews got some words from the Greeks than to turn around and say that Greek came from Japheth, especially if the only evidence you can find is from a cherry-picked word group about the sea when the Hebrews weren't exactly known as a maritime culture...

But, y'know, that's just me...

El Borak said...

You apparently missed all the entries where I bitched and moaned about Cooper's use of sources.

Guilty as charged. If you're still in the first chapter, I have to warn you it doesn't get any better. I noted it mostly in Nennius, where Cooper tries to pass off Nennius' Ages of the World as an ancient British source and even goes so far as to say they don't match the Septuagint (giving an incorrect number of years for that, too.)

The fact is that they are directly out of the Septuagint via Eusebius, and while he notes the English have the same numbers, he does not note that the Irish in two places (Annals of the Four Masters and Chronicum Scotorum, the latter of which says the numbers come from 'the Seventy Interpreters', i.e. the Septuagint) have exactly the same numbers, even though he mentions both sources in his chapter on the Irish. In the Annals, the numbers appear on the very first line!

Where Jessa says that, "I am getting the distinct impression that Cooper isn't actually reading the texts of these philosophers, he is just reading about them somewhere else..." I think that's right on. He follows Cusack's work on the Irish, but does not investigate Cusack's sources, several of which directly undercut his major argument for a native British tradition.